Here's our first and most useful list for you people out there! So many of you, like Obie and I, will be considering a career at the bar and maybe some of you are wondering if you've truly got what it takes. So being the lovely people that we are Obie and I have compiled this list of necessary skills for being a barrister so you can get a vague idea if you've these skills. We've collected these skills from attending various events and extensive reading on the topic so hopefully we've got them all but of course if you think of anymore tweet, facebook or email us!
1) Confidence but not empty confidence. Confidence from being prepared and knowing your stuff
2) Courage
3) Public Speaking (Very very important)
4) Determination
5) Patience
6) Compassion and Empathy (If you don't like people this job probably isn't for you!)
7) INTEGRITY (This kept on popping up throughout everything and so we gather is imprtannt enough to be in capitals)
8) Active Listening (Yeah that 'listening' we all do in lectures won't cut it you have to listen AND pay attention to what is actually being said)
9) Good work ethic (Long hours, hard work)
10) Critical Thinking (Always ask why not how)
11) Enthusiasm and Passion (Covers any career if you ask me)
12) Attention to detail (Come on no one wants to be embarrassed by a judge because you missed a small detail)
13) Good language ability
14) Stamina (You'll be doing long hours and being dragged over the country so get to the gym and work on that stamina!
15) Good understanding of the law (Kind of goes without saying really, you need to be able to grasp the law and understand it quickly and comprehensively)
So that is that! All of these are things that can be worked on in various ways and no doubt we will make a post about it one day to help you all out. Also worth noting that many of these cover skills necessary for becoming a solicitor as well so you can apply it there.
Wednesday, 13 March 2013
Sunday, 10 March 2013
A night out with some Barristers...
Nearly
a week ago myself and Obie attended
one of the first major events set up by the newly elected University
of Sussex Law Society (USLS). The event so named 'Life at the
Criminal Bar' was a panel discussion with four guest speakers
including Sussex's very own Professor Vogler and three
highly reputable barristers
Forz Khan, Rebecca
Upton
and
Heather
Stevens.
Forz Khan is
head of his own chambers
in London
and has participated in numerous high-profile cases included
acting as a defendant to a member of the IRA. Those of you who have
been
applying for mini-pupillage
at local chambers may recognise the next panellist
Rebecca from Eastbourne Chambers who is the woman to talk to for
getting into those chambers. Rebecca has 20 years experience
in the criminal bar specialising
in family and sexual offences. Lastly Heather
who was the newest barrister of the bunch is
a tenant in Lamb Building.
Introductions
over I can move onto the more interesting topic of what actually
happened at the event. Well first and foremost each panellist
gave a short summary of their educational history and general
background
something that I found to be extremely
interesting particularly considering the difference in access to the
bar. Rebecca and Forz were very forthcoming in admitting that neither
had firsts, a 2:2 and 2:1 receptively,
and they highlighted the fact that whilst they were lucky to get a
pupillage
with those grades when they applied it is a totally different story
now. Forz gave the excellent advice that these days in order to get a
pupillage
a candidate needs to not only have excellent grades but an element
that makes them stand out so take note future barristers you need to
start doing things to make you unique! So get travelling to Mexico to
save turtles or head to Oxford to read the well respected Bachelor of
Civil Law to make yourself irresistible
to whatever chambers you apply to. Also
a little side note
Forz also stated that it is recommended that you get an
offer for a pupillage
before you sit the BPTC because it's super expensive like super 'oh
my god I'm going to be drowning
in debt' expenses or if you're lucky enough a loving phone call to
your parents expensive, needless to say those were not his exact
words but there's no way I could ever replicate his dictum. However
Obie has more than expressed that she does not agree with this but
it's very much each to their own in this case.
One
particularly interesting aspect of the panellist
was the near punch-up (OK
not a near punch-up
but come on, as journalists it's our job to spice things up... and
the mental image is hilarious!) between the barristers and the only
solicitor Professor Vogler.
This disagreement focused on the suggestion from Vogler
that the UK should adopt a unified qualifications for law graduates
so that there need not be the decision between a career at the bar or
as a solicitor.
Something that the barristers did not agree with and led to the more
heated discussion
n that barristers were better than solicitors, obviously displeasing
the solicitor.
Being the diplomatic person that I am I won't come down on one side
of this discussion I will say that generally barristers are more
specialised than solicitors so therefore they will have more
knowledge and experience in dealing with certain cases. Feel free to
let us know what you all think of this debate! Do you think there
should be a unified qualification? Are barristers better qualified
than solicitors? Should we have locked these guys in a room to see
who makes it out alive?! Tweet us, email us or facebook us your
thoughts people!
Now
the next interesting information was a bit more academic than the
previous one. It's the ever intertesing topic of legal aid because
everyone loves a bit of legal aid. Now
for those of you who are considering embarking on the difficult yet
rewarding journey
to the criminal bar I give you a word of caution nicely communicated
from the barristers through me to you. The criminal
bar does not pay as well as it used to so those of you thinking that
you'll make your millions helping put away murderers or defending
thieves
then I encourage you to either think again or skip reading this part
so you can remain in denial. Due
to all the lovely legal funding cuts (even more cuts were announced
this week) by the Government there is very little funding for many
criminal cases and as a consequence being a criminal barrister does
not pay as well as it used to. However
this should not dissuade
you from pursing this career! The work you do I imagine is incredibly
worthwhile and interesting (apparently you'll have the most
interesting work stories something about drunks in cells...) and as
Forz suggested there is always the opportunity to work part-time as a
barrister and have another job in the meantime (He owns various
businesses if you want some ideas).
I won't go into too much detail in legal aid cuts as there will be an
article from us soon but I will say that these cuts are more serious
than barristers not being paid well. It
is worrisome that it may lead to more miscarriages of justice as
appropriate representation may not be given, it will become a case of
getting the cheapest help not the best quality.
Also
for those readers out there who would love to be a barrister but feel
that they are too shy all is not lost! Heather told us that she had
always been timid through her studies but managed to overcome it
through mooting, debating and her mini-pupillages. Whilst I realise
more than anyone how horrific these extracurriculars can be if
you're shy, they are so worth doing! Not only will this help you get
over this shyness but it will get you talking in the right way that
is conducive to being in the profession. So you get two birds with
one stone as the saying goes.
Last
but not least the after-event drinks and networking, whilst I did not
manage to stay and chat too
much I was fortunate
enough to be able to have conversations with Rebecca and Forz about
their careers and the best ways to go about getting mini-pupillages
and pupillage.
Both were extremely
helpful and kind in their discussions with myself and Obie and made
themselves more than available
to answer our questions (I'm sure heather
would have been the same if we had the time to talk to her). For
those of you who didn't attend you certainly missed out on a great
event not just for those wanting to pursue a career at the bar but
also those who wish to pursue a career elsewhere as
it was a great opportunity to talk with professionals in the
industry.
We are fully online!
Just a quick update to let you guys know we have finally set up our twitter and facebook accounts! Yes we're not so totally old as to not know how these things work. On twitter we'll be tweeting with updates of articles and any quick items that Obie and I think you should know about!
Check out all of our followers on twitter! They're all must have accounts for any law students!
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Monday, 4 March 2013
Greetings!
Don't you just HATE Monday's?! Actually, I think if I were a working-gal, i'd hate Sunday's even more! It's like they were made to stare you in the face and laugh and say, "Ha! I'm the last day you get off before needing to go back to work!" There go the late nights, as you need to be bright and perky for Monday, because if you're not, it ruin's your whole week. And, if you have kids, then it mean's your day trip out needs to finish even earlier, because kids have school (so much better than work!) and they actually get tired! Though I do remember wanting to stay up as late as possible when I was growing up... And don't you just love 5:59am, when you are deep in sleep, warm, comfortable, and having the most amazing dream about Tom Welling / Hallie Berry / a Big Mac (whatever take your fancy), and then all of a sudden, out of the blue, it's 6am, your alarm goes off, you stop dreaming, you stop being warm and comfortable, and a wave of dread pours over you when you realise, "I have to go to work today!" And you turn over in bed, pull the duvet over your head and spend the next 5 minutes dreaming about winning £77 million on the Euromillions lottery.
Have you heard that joke about the man who prayed to win the lottery? Well i'm going to tell it anyway... There was this guy, and every night he prayed really really hard to God, to make him win the lottery. After some time, God, feeling sorry for this poor sucker, decides to respond; He says, "Man, I hear your prayer (I made this up), and I understand your desire to win the lottery. I will help you. But you must meet me half way. You need to buy a lottery ticket!" Hahahaha
It's a two-way street people! You want success? You have to put in the effort!
So if you do hate Monday's (and Sunday's), you'll hate me even more; Sussex LLB Law students don't start until 11am on Monday's :-D
Enough with complaining about the start of the week. Lexie and I thought that for our first proper post, we'd post something entertaining. It's not strictly law-related but I figured it's related enough as it concerns an American lawyer (you can already tell it's going to be humorous).
I got this story from the Wall Street Journal, but can't post a link to it as I don't know when or where it originated from.
So, this American lawyer (Charlotte, North Carolina) purchases a box of rather expensive cigars, and insured them against--wait for it-- FIRE! Yes, you read right.. Fire. Stupidest thing you have ever heard? Keep reading, it gets better...
The Lawyer smoked his entire store of cigars without making a single claim against his policy, so, proceeded to filing his claim.
The insurance company were rightly outraged, and refused to accommodate the claim. The lawyer, obviously following his instincts, sued.
The judge agreed with the insurance company that this was a bogus and frivolous claim, but upon inspecting the contract, the judge stated that policy was valid (there were no mistakes, misrepresentations, exclusion clauses etc.. PLease refer to Mary's Contract Law lectures for further information). The policy deemed the cigars to be insurable, and insurable against fire, without stipulating unacceptable conditions under which fire would not be tolerated. Thus the insurance company were obliged to pay the lawyer! Instead of enduring a lengthy process of appeal, the insurance company paid the lawyer $15000 in compensation for the loss of his cigars in a series of small fires.
Wait, it gets better...
The lawyer, upon receiving his compensation cheque, deposited it straight into his bank account. The following morning the insurance company had him arrested on 20 separate counts of... ARSON! The lawyer was fined... $24000 and was forced to serve 20 consecutive 1 year sentences!
HAHAHA. How's that for justice?! One (not Lex or I) might speculate that there are severe deficiencies n the American justice system... At least the insurance company had a sense of humour!
Moral of the story: Even if you are stupid, you can still be a lawyer!
I'd love to hear your thought's on this. And watch out for Lexie's first post; It'll have a bit more substance and relation to the law.
Don't you just HATE Monday's?! Actually, I think if I were a working-gal, i'd hate Sunday's even more! It's like they were made to stare you in the face and laugh and say, "Ha! I'm the last day you get off before needing to go back to work!" There go the late nights, as you need to be bright and perky for Monday, because if you're not, it ruin's your whole week. And, if you have kids, then it mean's your day trip out needs to finish even earlier, because kids have school (so much better than work!) and they actually get tired! Though I do remember wanting to stay up as late as possible when I was growing up... And don't you just love 5:59am, when you are deep in sleep, warm, comfortable, and having the most amazing dream about Tom Welling / Hallie Berry / a Big Mac (whatever take your fancy), and then all of a sudden, out of the blue, it's 6am, your alarm goes off, you stop dreaming, you stop being warm and comfortable, and a wave of dread pours over you when you realise, "I have to go to work today!" And you turn over in bed, pull the duvet over your head and spend the next 5 minutes dreaming about winning £77 million on the Euromillions lottery.
Have you heard that joke about the man who prayed to win the lottery? Well i'm going to tell it anyway... There was this guy, and every night he prayed really really hard to God, to make him win the lottery. After some time, God, feeling sorry for this poor sucker, decides to respond; He says, "Man, I hear your prayer (I made this up), and I understand your desire to win the lottery. I will help you. But you must meet me half way. You need to buy a lottery ticket!" Hahahaha
It's a two-way street people! You want success? You have to put in the effort!
So if you do hate Monday's (and Sunday's), you'll hate me even more; Sussex LLB Law students don't start until 11am on Monday's :-D
Enough with complaining about the start of the week. Lexie and I thought that for our first proper post, we'd post something entertaining. It's not strictly law-related but I figured it's related enough as it concerns an American lawyer (you can already tell it's going to be humorous).
I got this story from the Wall Street Journal, but can't post a link to it as I don't know when or where it originated from.
So, this American lawyer (Charlotte, North Carolina) purchases a box of rather expensive cigars, and insured them against--wait for it-- FIRE! Yes, you read right.. Fire. Stupidest thing you have ever heard? Keep reading, it gets better...
The Lawyer smoked his entire store of cigars without making a single claim against his policy, so, proceeded to filing his claim.
The insurance company were rightly outraged, and refused to accommodate the claim. The lawyer, obviously following his instincts, sued.
The judge agreed with the insurance company that this was a bogus and frivolous claim, but upon inspecting the contract, the judge stated that policy was valid (there were no mistakes, misrepresentations, exclusion clauses etc.. PLease refer to Mary's Contract Law lectures for further information). The policy deemed the cigars to be insurable, and insurable against fire, without stipulating unacceptable conditions under which fire would not be tolerated. Thus the insurance company were obliged to pay the lawyer! Instead of enduring a lengthy process of appeal, the insurance company paid the lawyer $15000 in compensation for the loss of his cigars in a series of small fires.
Wait, it gets better...
The lawyer, upon receiving his compensation cheque, deposited it straight into his bank account. The following morning the insurance company had him arrested on 20 separate counts of... ARSON! The lawyer was fined... $24000 and was forced to serve 20 consecutive 1 year sentences!
HAHAHA. How's that for justice?! One (not Lex or I) might speculate that there are severe deficiencies n the American justice system... At least the insurance company had a sense of humour!
Moral of the story: Even if you are stupid, you can still be a lawyer!
I'd love to hear your thought's on this. And watch out for Lexie's first post; It'll have a bit more substance and relation to the law.
Sunday, 3 March 2013
Introductions are in order...
Hello!
Let me start by
introducing myself... I'm Obama-in-training. Obie for short.
Joining
me is my learned friend and co-writer, Lexie (Lex for short which you will all
know to be Latin for law I'm sure)
Lexie and
I, as our profile says, are students at Sussex Law School, and proud as punch
to be attending such a fine, upstanding higher educational establishment that
isn't in the Russell group! Ha! But in all seriousness people, It is a fine
institution. We have a great faculty, with superior knowledge (helpful for
getting you out of those sticky situations with the police after a drunken
night out... you know who you are!) and sensational charisma. The fact that I
just got accepted into the newly established Innocence Project (USIP) is going
a looong way toward boosting my opinion of the school, and it's members. Lexie
may disagree...
So you
can probably tell, by the fact that we are still so patriotic towards our
faculty, that we are first year law students. The babies of the bunch. The
bottom of the proverbial food chain as it were. We think we know everything,
suddenly all our friends start coming to us for legal advice; in fact, we know
NOTHING! But that's why we started this blog... we find, especially with law,
and I'm sure most people agree that discussing cases and articles that we read,
both for educational and recreational purposes, are better understood when
there is a group of you discussing it (or at least you can turn to the smartest
person in the group for all the answers, much like in seminar's, when there is
only one person speaking, because they are the only one's that have bothered to
do any of the reading, and you are content to sit back and watch this happen,
chiming in occasionally so you don't score anything less than a 2:i for your
termly report, ironically, Lexie and I are so full of it, we obviously consider
ourselves to be the best in the class, and are such nerds that we actually
bother to do the reading, and learn something so we get our £9000-worth of
education, that we are the saddo's that dominate the seminars, along with a
select group of other conscientious individuals). Therefore, that’s the aim of
the game: aside from imparting our insanely funny sense of humour upon the
world, we plan to keep law students, and whosoever else in the general public
that deigns to read our blog, updated of news, especially legal news (to help
increase our commercial awareness, something we are all too familiar when it
comes to job applications), by posting links to various articles on the
internet and twitter; AND critically analyse the cases that we learn about as
we go along in order to gain a deeper understanding of the ratio (Mary's ELS
lectures are actually coming in handy!) and have a bit of a discussion, to help
with essay writing. We will also try and keep our readers updated of any vac
schemes, training contracts, pupillages and mini's, and provide useful hints
and tips to successfully completing an application (in any career, not just
law).
So please
do feel free to contribute at any time! We look forward to interacting with you
all!
Disclaimer:
All you clever-clogs (especially those reading Law) will of course realise that
these are not our real names; we have been forced (by some unknown-to-us-as-yet
law) to remain anonymous in order to protect ourselves from the liability of
any tortious acts we may commit (i.e defamation). However, we are of course
always protected by the primary defense: We are writing only our opinions, not
the opinion of the university or any other individual or public body, and
anything we do publish should not be taken as hard fact (unless of course we
tell you it is!). Also having to use code-names makes everything infinitely cooler!
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